
A Bit About Us
Many many years ago, Alexis fell in love with the feelings created when people do neat stuff together, especially outside. Add in music, food, arts, and culture ... magic happens when creativity and nature collide.
Alexis and Andrew founded Bubble Grove Nature Escape with a simple mission: to create a space where people could connect with themselves, each other, and the natural world.
Inspired by the serene beauty of the Niagara Escarpment and the decades of history this property holds for hosting guests, our mission is to revitalize this legacy agritourism property into a place of wellness, adventure, culture and community.
Open to all with an eye to inclusivity and diversity, we believe nature should be open to everyone to enjoy. The previous strictly religious use of the property for 40 years set the stage for guests from all backgrounds to enjoy this property for many decades forward.
Bubble Grove is 20 years of dreams and dedication coming together.
Every booking is key to our future here.
Every collaboration helps us grow.
We look forward to hosting you!
A Bit About History
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Bubble Grove Nature Escape is more than just a property - it is the continuation of a decades-long legacy of hospitality and agritourism on the Niagara Escarpment.
Since the early 1980s, the site has served as a retreat centre, hosting thousands of visitors and contributing meaningfully to the local economy and community life.
Formerly known as Ridgewood Springs Farm & Retreat, the commercial use was well known by neighbours and documented in Niagara Escarpment Commission (NEC) files going back decades.
Yet today, Bubble Grove faces unprecedented opposition from a small group of neighbours and challenges from NEC staff simply for continuing the uses that have defined the property for over 40 years.
A Call for Fairness
From day one, we have attempted to work with the NEC to ensure an efficient and fair process grounded in planning policies, legal precedents, and land rights.
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We have continually provided evidence of ongoing, extensive use of the property over decades. Legal precedent clearly states that open-air uses are attached to the land. The previous owners began hosting guests outdoors here in 1983/1984 - well before the Niagara Escarpment Plan jurisdiction began in June 1985. I was a just babe when this place first started hosting guests inside and outside for all sorts of activities.
👉 If they did it, so can we.
Ontario case law on legal non-conforming rights should be the touchstone for this file. All we are asking the NEC to do is follow the Ontario Supreme Court and established precedent in their guidance on legal noon conforming land rights.
Ontario law also clearly outlines that “people zoning” is illegal and violates the Ontario Human Rights Code. Agencies like the NEC should be the front line against bias and bigotry when it arises - every time, without exception.
Projects based around sustainable business practices, regenerative land management, and positive community development need support from the ground up. Independent businesses do not have deep pockets for inefficient and convoluted planning practices. We do not have the financial capacity to weather 3.5 years to recognize 4 decades of documented history. if what we have provided is not enough to secure support from the get go, what property is safe from facing a similar fate?
Accountability and Transparency matters.
All we are asking for is accountability to move towards better practices, our legal land rights to be upheld, and for us to be able to move forward without further unfair and escalating compliances actions where there has been zero negative impact claimed or shown.
We would like our Development Permit to go before the commission as our original version was discussed in June of 2022, a full development permit was put forward in February of 2023, a Notice of Violation was given with a demand to shut all business on the property on May 18 2023 with no site visit engaged, the Development Permit was denied in a cloud of confusion, we were guided away from Appeal and towards a Delegation to discuss our concerns about bias and staff missteps, we applied for delegation, were granted Delegation by unanimous vote, then days before NEC staff said Delegation wasn't a way to affect a decision so we couldn't have the Delegation anymore, then they wouldn't let us Appeal saying it was past the time allowed even though it was because of their mis-guidance that we did missed the opportunity to appeal the decision, then an Existing Use Development Permit was put forward in October 2023 (confirmed by NEC as an Existing Use in November 2023), appealed in December 2023 and sent to the OLT, more complaints were made against us in November 2023, in January 2024 NEC compliance escalated their Notice of Violation, a new Development Permit to confirm a minor expansion to an Existing Use for 5 - 7 accommodation domes and a gathering dome has been in the hands of NEC staff since February of 2024 in response, we then had 6 OLT case management conferences between March and July 2024, the Ontario Land Tribunal 5 day hearing took place in October 2024, the Decision came through at the end of December 2024 which supported our NEC Decision confirming the Existing Use status of the property, a Request for Review was submitted by the appellants in January of 2025 which could have resulted in a whole new trial, the answer came on May 13 2025 when the Request for Review was completely shut down, we were finally a recognized Existing Use, on June 1st the NEC slaps us with a 45 day Removal Notice for the dome stating that it needs a Development Permit to be recognized while they continue to sit on our Development Permit from February 2024 and with knowledge of our dome intentions since 2022, we responded with an 84 page document again outlining our property rights and request for our dome tents, I was told by NEC staff/ Director that our Development Permit would go before the Commission in September 2025, then was told to request a Delegation to discuss the domes ahead of that meeting in August, I reluctantly agreed despite not feeling comfortable but attempting to work collaboratively with staff, Delegation is delayed until September 2025 where staff propose to continue to ignore our land rights which should recognize the established activity of hosting open air accommodations out on the land as was practiced over decades by the previous owners, instead they propose to consider the domes as an extension of the short term accommodations recognized for the farmhouse and then proceed to provide a report that outlines how that approach is impossible. The Commission votes to support staffs motion and tell them to expedite our file to be seen sometime by February 2026. 4 years after our original approach to the NEC to confirm the ongoing use on the property.
If that run on description made you tired, yup. It is exhausting to consider the costs to ourselves as well as the Ontario tax payers who have funded this ongoing process against a very well documented, and now confirmed Existing Use, with ecological intentions and an open invitation to come experience the Escarpment.
Our Experience with the planning process
Our file has been with the NEC for 3.5 years. To acknowledge 40 years of documented use.
This file has been active through the tenures of 3 NEC Directors, 3 NEC Chairs, a couple handfuls of Commissioners, 2 Managers of Planning, and numerous Senior Planners.
We have been labelled as difficult and chastised for speaking up.
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Meanwhile, the NEC has issued notices of violation, compliance demands, and even removal orders without a single site visit tied to any of those actions and despite 40 years of documented, compatible use and no evidence of negative impact.
Each time staff has set a bar to reach, and we meet their demands, they change the landscape. Not one promise has stuck. Not one day standing on stable sands.
This is nuts.
A Property Rooted in Hospitality
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Early Legacy (1980s): The retreat centre began under the Webers, who ran a Christian retreat centre before the Niagara Escarpment Plan was even in place (1985). Their use of open-air accommodations and programming predated NEC jurisdiction.
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Decades of Guests: Over 40 years, the Webers hosted 12,000 - 18,000 guests without any negative impact showing that this is very compatible use
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Published History: Norm Weber documented the property’s story in two published books, which remain part of the public record and are available for purchase on Amazon.
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Extensive Evidence: Property reports, brochures, guest lists, letters of support, and legal reviews all confirm decades of hospitality, retreats, workshops, events, and short-term accommodations.
The NEC’s own files confirm this history:
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A 2000 staff report and brochure outlined the retreat’s services.
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The property was listed for sale as a commercial retreat centre in 2007 with no objection.
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In 2022, our lawyer requested a Property Information Report. Drafted by the NEC’s Planning Manager, it listed the 2000 Development Permit which clearly outlines ongoing retreat use and stated no compliance issues existed.
Despite this, we are still fighting to continue the very same uses.
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The Role of Religious Bias
The neighbour group opposing us has made numerous concerning statements, in person and in writing, that show their efforts are driven by:
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A preference for the decades of strictly Christian use.
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A clear distaste for our open and inclusive business model
Bubble Grove is a venue where all are welcome to connect with themselves, each other, and nature.
It is bonkers to me that a small biased group have been given the opportunity to drag our business through years of challenge because they don't like who we are inviting?
These folks introduced themselves to the NEC as “good Christians” and praised the “good Christian” owners and guests who had used this property for 4 decades.
One even shouted out at the NEC meeting in October 2023 “If Existing Use is recognized, does that mean they can only host Christian events?”
That single statement lays bare the truth: this opposition is not about planning concerns - it is about bias, people zoning, and curating neighborhoods.
More words from these same folks:
“We had and still have a very close relationship with the previous owners”
“They rented their farmhouse to Christian Churches to have retreats"
"The people attending would all walk the property or the roads without any disturbances”
“In summary: the Existing Use ‘business’ carried on [...] in the past, whether legal or not was from our vantage unobtrusive to the lives of anyone in the community, nor to the beautiful integrity of the Niagara Escarpment in which we live, work and revel”
“They had people stay there in the farmhouse for week-end Christian retreats”
“It was a Christian ministry that was their passion”
“We understood that these visitors had some kind of church connection.”
“the Retreat aspect of the property, whether legal or not, was unobtrusive to us and our community landscape. We assumed that their church friends helped with the apple harvest, reinforced their religious fellowship, and helped bolster meager farm revenues.”
But our use is vilified?
They said our use will ruin the safety, ecology and property values of the neighborhood. We would cause floods and dead animals and unsafe roads.
They made falsified complaints and openly attacked our use while praising the 4 decades of religious use.
Why should our inclusive business face ongoing opposition, delays and negative outcomes for doing what the "good christians" have enjoyed doing for 40 years?
Your thoughts?
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My thoughts are, there is no place for this kind of prejudice in land-use planning. Religion is very clearly outside the scope of planning processes. People Zoning is clearly outlined as a giant no no here in Ontario, and for good reason - planning should define how a space is used, not who uses it.
The NEC should have shut this down the moment the neighbours introduced themselves as “good Christians” before the Commission, and again when they did it at the next meeting, and again when they repeated their bias in letters to the NEC and the appeal letters to the Ontario Land Tribunal.
Incredibly, those same letters the appellants acknowledge decades of accepted retreat use with no negative impact, then claim our inclusive use will cause destruction, chaos, fires, flooding, lower property values, and moral decline.
This is dangerous and biased NIMBYism weaponized through bureaucracy, and no public agency should enable it or ignore that it happened.
Nothing changes if we can't speak about where processes stumble. We should be protected from further interference and the original complaints against us should be investigated and charged if found to be falsified, as outlined in the NEP. Just cancel the original Notice of Violation, confirm the full scope of historic use on the property, and let me get on with my business, just as the previous owners enjoyed for their 40 years here. And it would be very nice if you could confirm our tents which allow us to continue to host groups without any request to expand the established level of use, in a way that has always been practiced on this property, in zero impact installations, and with best practices intended. We have been open to fair and flexible collaboration towards this proposal since the outset.
it is well documented, and in fact NEPOS just provided a presentation at the same September meeting, outlining that there are not enough places to camp adjacent to the Niagara Escarpment. Here we are saying this place has always done so and we are facing so. much. process.
We come with solutions, investment, good intentions, and business building capacity and our government is letting our business and property swirl into jeopardy while this planning process drags on towards a fourth year.
The Core Issues​
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Vilification Despite Evidence: Every record shows safe, compatible use, yet enforcement escalates.
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Religious Bias & Double Standards: Neighbours prefer Christian-only use; NEC ignored bias.
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Accountability and solving issues created by mistakes of staff rather than ignoring them and gaslighting land owners asking for fairness and transparency
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Inconsistent, Escalating Measures: Violation notices and removal orders issued without cause.
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Existing Use Rights Ignored: Ontario law protects our uses; open-air accommodations are legally tied to the land and should be allowed to continue - we are happy to discus best practices, capacity and placement as we have requested from the get go
Why This Matters
Bubble Grove is:
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A legacy commercial property
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A place where food grows
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A beautiful natural landscape that should be open to all
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A hub for wellness and connection
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A longstanding contributor to the local economy
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A vision of positive economic and ecologic balance
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A dream, passion, deep love in action
Supporting Bubble Grove means standing up for fair, unbiased governance, inclusivity in hospitality and agritourism, and the preservation of a decades-long legacy. Despite the obstacles, Bubble Grove continues to thrive forward offering immersive nature experiences while respecting history and the environment.
A Call to Supporters
We put this to you: What are your thoughts on the history, the process, and the evidence?
Should we sit down and stay quiet or is this worthy of conversation, accountability, and change?
We believe every time precedent is ignored and bias is allowed to continue, we must speak louder until something changes for the better.
👉 Add your voice to our petition : https://www.change.org/HelpBubbleGrove
👉 Support us through bookings and social shares.
👉 Stand with us for truth, history, law, and inclusivity.
We are resilient. We stand on evidence. We stand on history.
We have decided to make public what is already part of public files and processes - all of the evidence and documentation in a handy dandy timeline on this page and photos and screen shots of all of it on the connecting page.
We think it is pretty clear. We leave it open to you to ponder, and if you are so stirred, maybe write your MPP or the Premiere, or the NEC or the Minister heading up the areas around this file.
Thank you for reading our story. We appreciate your time, attention, and support.
Alexis & Andrew
Timeline Of Events and Evidence
1970's
The Webers begin hosting retreats through their church at properties and trailer camps around Southern Ontario
“In 1974 we were driving an old Buick. We were working with the youth in our church, and it was suggested that we consider using a trailer camp and a barn for our next retreat in June. We checked it out and made arrangements to have a retreat there. It was a great retreat with many signs and wonders happening.”
from “What It’s Like To Walk With The Holy Spirit” published in 2017 pg.11
“We began holding retreats yearly”
from “A Christian Story Book” Published in February 2024
pg.15
1981
The Webers decide to establish their own retreat centre​
1982
The Webers declare to the sellers that they are purchasing the farm to start a religious retreat centre.
“Finally, before the civic holiday in August we got a call about another farm and saw it right after the holiday weekend. It was 86 acres, had 3 ponds, and a large wooded area. The house had 6 bedrooms upstairs and one downstairs on the main floor”
from “A Christian Story Book” pg.34
1982
"DIRECTIONS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT REGARDING THE FARM
A few days after we purchased the farm, the Holy Spirit directed me to take a folding chair and my Bible and go sit in the middle of a field of oats and barley.”
“There were 3 conditions we must follow [from God]. First: The farm was never to be put up as security for a loan or mortgage; second: we were never to live their permanently, such as retirement, and third; the farm was to be used to minister to His people and for the growing of organic foods as directed. As the years went by, we have followed those directions. ”
from “A Christian Story Book” pg.36
& “What It’s Like To Walk With The Holy Spirit” pg.63
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1982
“ We rented the barn to a neighbour and the income from that was equal to our payments at the bank on the $25,000”
from “A Christian Story Book” pg.35
This statement refers to one of the main appellants against our use. She is the only person to rent the barn from the Webers during their ownership.
This supports the appellants statements to the November 2023 NEC Commission meeting that she had her sheep in the barn in the early 1980’s and saw retreat uses beginning around that time.
1983/1984
“JESUS APPEARED IN THE FARMHOUSE
Within a couple of years after we purchased the farm, we turned the large farmhouse into a retreat centre with seven bedrooms and the ability to sleep twenty-three people. It had 2 showers, two washrooms, a large living room for meetings, and a good sized country kitchen.”
from “What It’s Like To Walk With The Holy Spirit” pg. 34
The property was purchased in 1982. A couple of years brings the timeline for establishing the Retreat Centre to 1984. This was upheld by the OLT in recognizing that this is a clear statement that the Existing Use was established ahead of the NEP which didn't begin until June 12 1985.
1983/1984
“As the farm house was eventually converted into a retreat centre, many people came and were blessed. Basically, we rented out the facilities to various churches and Christian groups and they ran their own retreats. This went on for about 30 years and in this time, we have had hundreds of retreats there with hundreds and hundreds of people being blessed.”
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from “A Christian Story Book” pg.36
1984/1984
Norm Weber stated under oath at the Ontario Land Tribunal hearing that beginning in 1983 that "car loads and car loads" of guests and retreat leaders were heading up to the property regularly to begin establishing the retreat centre. The farmhouse was not ready for guests with the large addition unfinished.



1984/1984
The Webers put forward Development Permits to the NEC in 1983/1984 to add 3 cabins to the property for expanded retreat use, and then in 1984/85 an application was entered as an attempt to gain institutional zoning as a religious centre with the cabins included.
The cabins were requested to support the amount of guests who were coming to the retreat centre which was consistently more then could be comfortably served in the farmhouse and the Webers wanted to expand their permanent bed space.
The cabins were denied due to being within the significant woodland and being considered additional housing.
As the cabins were turned down, Norm told Alexis privately the they continued using tents, RV's and campers for large events and some guests preferred sleeping out on the land.
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This open air use was continuous for decades with
no negative impacts
1984/1984
Norm Weber stated under oath at the Ontario Land Tribunal hearing that beginning in 1983 that "car loads and car loads" of guests and retreat leaders were heading up to the property regularly to begin establishing the retreat centre. The farmhouse was not ready for guests with the large addition unfinished.



1984/1984
“As the farm house was eventually converted into a retreat centre, many people came and were blessed. Basically, we rented out the facilities to various churches and Christian groups and they ran their own retreats. This went on for about 30 years and in this time, we have had hundreds of retreats there with hundreds and hundreds of people being blessed.”
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from “A Christian Story Book” pg.36
1989
Property and house maps created for guests renting the retreat.
The house map shows that modifications were already completed to upgrade house facilities for retreat/group use including double shower rooms and multiple bed layouts in each bedroom
2000
The Webers submit an Application Permit for a 2nd home on the property in 2000.
The staff report for file G/R/00-01/166, which is found in the NEC files, outlines that the Webers were completely transparent with the NEC about the ongoing Retreat Centre usage on the property.
“The applicant's advise that the existing 7-bedroom farmhouse on the 86 acre property is used for accommodation for groups or families that come to the property to assist in the farming. Farm workers occasionally live at the farmhouse. The farmhouse is also used for the many Christian retreats that take place each year. The applicants do not live in the farmhouse. They rent a house in the vicinity to keep the farmhouse available for these other uses.”
The previous owners stated that they had never lived onsite specifically to keep the house available for the “numerous” retreats which they hosted throughout the year. The business use of the retreat centre was the guiding force for their decisions on the property.
The application also states that Norm was not considered a full time farmer at least partly because of the main business use of the property as a Retreat Centre.
This Staff Report shows incontrovertible evidence that the NEC was fully aware of the business use of the property as a Christian Retreat Centre in question since at least 2000. The Webers are completely transparent with the Senior Planner around the intended use for the property, the scope and regularity of that use, the intention to continue the retreat centre use, and the fact that the retreat centre use was guiding the decisions for the property.
The tone of the staff member writing the report is that of acceptance of this use and nowhere in the staff report is any concern about the use noted. The previous owners are never contacted for follow up. Tacit consent is given to the established business use.
No statements against the commercial use were made by NEC staff in the report. No follow up by NEC staff on the commercial usage. The owners were never contacted to alter the usage or informed of any potential concerns.
2003
The Webers design, print and disseminate a Retreat brochure for Ridgewood Springs Farm and retreat Centre dated from 2003 outlining the services, amenities, rates, contact information and mapping for the property.
The property is advertised as available by the room or as a full facility
Groups retreats, youth camps, celebrations ...
2006
​Document : Guest List for the year 2006 outlining 20+ bookings.
2007
The 2003 brochure is given to NEC staff in 2007 and has been in the files ever since.
It was brought to their attention by a Real Estate agent asking for clarity on the Commercial use as the property was listed for sale as a Commercial Retreat Centre. They provided the brochure to for NEC staff. No actions were taken to shift the use or converse with the property owners over any concerns.
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The Realtor representing a potential buyer visited the office of the NEC and requested clarity as to the business use on site, declaring that her clients did not wish to continue the commercial use of the retreat centre business. The realtor provided a brochure from 2003 which outlines the full service menu and pricing, address of the business, and contact information for the owners.
No follow up by NEC staff on the commercial Retreat usage. The owners were never contacted to alter or stop the usage or made aware of any concerns with their ongoing use.
2007
​Document: Guest List for the year outlining 20+ bookings.
2019
Alexis first approaches Grey County Planning Department to propose Bubble Grove. She is told the best way forward would be to find a property with established history hosting guests outside on the land
August 2021
The property is put on the market for sale and marketed on MLS as an ongoing retreat centre. The listing states the long history as a retreat and also states that this use can be continued.
“Just under 87 acres in such a picturesque area of Massie. The farm has been enjoyed as a retreat and loved by many over the years. The peace and tranquility will be felt the moment you arrive. This is one of the first properties to grow wine grapes successfully in the area. There are certified organic apples and 3 spring fed ponds - one that was stocked with trout, one that is used for irrigation of the orchards.
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Wander through the 26 acre hardwood bush on the wagon trails. Meander down lover's lane. The farmhouse has had many upgrades over the years including a wired in generator, a large bright main floor room that has been used as the primary bedroom and updated wiring as well as plumbing. The large barn was constructed by Mennonites from 3 other barns. You can choose to continue to share the beauty of this property with others or make it your own private sanctuary.”
November 2021 - March 2022
We go to see the property and fall in love. Deeply and immediately.
We had never felt this way on any land ever and coupled with the history, we thought it was everything we had been looking for.
Mr.Weber made many statements by email and in person to us outlining the extensive history as a Retreat Centre. He told stories of the numerous guests and how many hundreds of retreats they had hosted over the years. He spoke of hosting guests and farm support for camping in RV's, tents and campers from the very beginning of opening the Retreat.
He told us that they regularly hosted large groups and often people would camp on the land​ or bring their RV's to the retreats. Groups often rented the full property and allowed their guests to choose where to sleep.
What he said in person often differed from what he has written down, and his written accounts differ from each other.
During the OLT trial it was stated that Mr.Webers testimony is at best inconsistent as dates, activities, the scope of activities, how often people slept outside, how many people were on site at a time, who was coming and how often - all of these details have been fluid.
However, previous to our purchase of the property Mr.Weber shared many emails, statements, and documents all supporting that this property was actively hosting large groups, retreats celebrations, day use and on site sales for decades and decades and decades and every body knew.
"There was no zoning changes needed and none were enacted."
"The retreat centre was able to have 21 people sleep there and this was the normal maximum. However, once a year we had a group bigger than the 21 people so they brought sleeping tents and sleep in these."
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"The house could sleep up to 21 people. Occasionally, we had a retreat with up to 30 people + a few more than that, and we allowed them to have pup tents around the farm house to accommodate people beyond the 21 in the house."
Based on the information we were told and presented by the owners who established the use, the information available from the NEC, and the information out in the public realm all showing decades of open retreat centre use, we thought we had found a rough gem ready to be loved into awesomeness.
February 2022
A Property Information Report is requested by our lawyer at the time.
The report was drafted by the Manager of Planning at the time and outlines all of the documents in the NEC files. The 2000 staff report is included and summarized.
The Property Information Report stated that no compliance issues were known on the property.
March 2 2022
Alexis & Andrew take possession of the property. The property was marketed and sold with all chattels of the ongoing business use. The house had been modified since the early 1980’s to support hosting groups.
The chattels and modifications to the Retreat Centre at the time of sale included:
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Expanded extra large septic for supporting group use
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Shower facility in the farmhouse with 2 fully separate shower rooms to cater to group use
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2 hot water tanks for expanded use
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Wired in generator with separate panel
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RV hook up behind the house with separate electrical panel hard wired in the basement
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14 bed frames and mattresses
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2 Fridges
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Outside portable toilet to expand washroom facilities for group use and camping/guests hosted out on the land
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March 2 2022
The property sale was taxed by the previous owner as a commercial property with 100% HST being charged on the full land parcel.
*** In HST rules, a farm use property is only charged HST on the percentage of farmable land and agricultural use buildings on the property. On this property that would be 10 - 35% as the total HST which should have been applied if this was only being sold as a farm property.
Attaching the HST to 100% of the property is only supported if the entire 86 acre property is considered to be a business use, as was declared by the previous owners. 100% HST was levied on the property because the entire property was considered a relevant business due to the Retreat Centre use attached to the site
April 2 2022
First contact is made with the NEC to request clarity of the Existing Use status on the subject property and a pre submission review is scheduled.
June 03 2022
A pre submission review is conducted with NEC senior planners
Alexis & Andrew are told to gain a legal review and that staff will recognize the Existing Use with legal confirmation in hand.
November 2022
A well respected land use lawyer is hired by us to do an independent review of the history of the property and all available documentation to offer a professional opinion on the designation status of the property.
A review of the property evidence and legal policy is undertaken and a professional legal opinion provided:
“The current use predates the approval of the 1985 NEC Plan and is therefore a legal non-conforming use.“
February 2023
Andrew and I submit our original full application including the Planning & Justification report with mapping, an in depth review of the history on site with all available evidence, the legal review supporting a designation of Existing Use, as well as the proposal for the handful of accommodation domes.
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We compiled and submitted a spreadsheet outlining the many advertising examples that were still available for Ridgewood Springs Retreat Centre online in the public sphere.
The examples include:
- Former website was accessed through web archive listings
- Numerous directory listings as an inn, B & B, farm and Retreat Centre
- Social media profile from Facebook
- Listed on "Around Owen Sound" local business directory website (run by the Municipality)
- Listed on "Visit Grey" local business directory (run by Grey County)
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We were able to access an archived version of the retreat centre website run by the previous Owners which has a very clear origin story for the retreat Centre beginning with a plan in 1981 and a statement to the sellers that the property was being purchased to start a retreat centre.
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April 2023
We build the current dome tent camp.
The camp was designed to comply with all levels of compliance including local by- laws and Ontario Building Code. This has been inspected and passed by the local Chief Building Official
Tents/temporary structures under 643 sq ft do not require a building permit under the OBC. Decks under 2 ft do not require a permit.
The dome is 385 square feet
The deck is under 2 ft in height.
There should be no compliance issues with the camp as built.
March/April 2023
We build the current dome tent camp.
The camp was designed to comply with all levels of compliance including local by- laws and Ontario Building Code. This has been inspected and passed by the local Chief Building Official
Tents/temporary structures under 643 sq ft do not require a building permit under the OBC. Decks under 2 ft do not require a permit.
The dome is 385 square feet
The deck is under 2 ft in height.
There should be no compliance issues with the camp as built.
April 14 2023
Municipal Bylaw shows up at the property due to a complaint. This is the report from the officers:
Complaint - “Illegal Campground full of yurts, tents and trailers”
Complaint Resolution -
“No zoning / campground issues
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Spoke to prop owners Alexis Brenner & Andrew Duncan about prop. They state that property has been a business for 40 years and purchased as such.
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- No campground located, 1 “yurt” located on prop, a trailer for personal use is behind house, no issues”
Recommendations -
Close file, no issues, no campground
T. Bradley 9169”
When we asked about the content of the complaint, we were told that an illegal campground was active on the property with numerous vehicles, tents and illegally run services.
The officer stated they saw no evidence to support any aspect of the complaint. When asked what would happen if the false complaints continued, the officer replied that the complainants would be charged with harassment.
April 14 2023
Municipal Bylaw shows up at the property due to a complaint. This is the report from the officers:
Complaint - “Illegal Campground full of yurts, tents and trailers”
Complaint Resolution -
“No zoning / campground issues
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Spoke to prop owners Alexis Brenner & Andrew Duncan about prop. They state that property has been a business for 40 years and purchased as such.
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- No campground located, 1 “yurt” located on prop, a trailer for personal use is behind house, no issues”
Recommendations -
Close file, no issues, no campground
T. Bradley 9169”
When we asked about the content of the complaint, we were told that an illegal campground was active on the property with numerous vehicles, tents and illegally run services.
The officer stated they saw no evidence to support any aspect of the complaint. When asked what would happen if the false complaints continued, the officer replied that the complainants would be charged with harassment.
May 17 2023
A compliance officer with the NEC, called after a complaint was lodged by an unknown source
Due process for all compliance actions is for the compliance officer to have engaged a full review of the history of the property and engage a site visit as a first step before engaging compliance measures.
No site visit was engaged and no research was done into the history on site before levying the Notice of Violation limiting all business operations on the property.
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We were directed to cease and desist all commercial activities on site along with all advertising for Bubble Grove including camping and short term accommodations (with Existing Use designation this would not be possible under the legislation).
The Applicants were also directed to cease all advertising and activities for BubbleFunk Food & Culture Festival (as a one time event this was outside of the jurisdiction of the NEC to comment or control)
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The Applicants were told that if they acted against the Notice of Violation they would be levied fines which could equal $25,000.
* The NEC has refused to share details about the original complaint despite numerous requests for at least the wording or content of the complaint.
May 18 2023
A Notice of Violation was levied on our property by NEC compliance without ever stepping foot on site:
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To begin the process of attempting to bring your property into compliance with the Niagara Escarpment Planning and Development Act (NEPDA), I am asking that you do the following:
1. Immediately cease the advertisement of, and remove listings relating to, the commercial enterprise: “Bubble Grove” until the issuance of a Development Permit from the NEC for such activity, if it should be issued.
2. Within 24 hours of receiving this letter cease the operation of the commercial enterprise: “Bubble Grove” until the issuance of a Development Permit from the NEC for such activity, if it should be issued.
3. Immediately upon receiving this letter cease the advertisement of, and remove listings relating to, the commercial enterprise: “Bubble Funk Festival”.
In addition, please note that you must seek and receive a Development Permit from the Niagara Escarpment Commission for any future development at the subject property that requires a Development Permit before you undertake the development.
Refer to the attached Notice of Violation for further details. A paper copy of the notice has been mailed to you for your records. Please note that persons charged under s. 24(1) of the NEPDA for undertaking development without a development permit and convicted may incur on a first conviction a fine of up to $25,000. In the case of corporations, the maximum fine is elevated on a first conviction to up to $50,000.
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The Applicants complied at great financial loss by ceasing their advertising and closing all of their business activities despite all activities listed in the NOV being within the range of the long established legal existing use or completely outside of the jurisdiction of the NEC to comment on or take power over.
May 25 2023
In response to Alexis' repeated requests for clarity on the history of the property and the Notice of Violation, NEC Staff Senior Planner writes Alexis stating recognition of Existing Use:
“NEC staff recognize that the property previously operated (under different ownership) as Ridgewood Springs Organic Farm and Retreat Centre and offered several types of services and activities including, utilizing the existing single dwelling for small-scale retreats and accommodation, agricultural production of fruit orchards, apple picking and hosting farm tours, picnics, and trail usage. These existing uses are permitted and can continue. The Notice that was issued requesting that certain activities stop is related to those matters being proposed under the Development Permit application and not the permitted uses. “
May 29 2023
The same NEC Senior Planner send a 2nd email confirming the NEC’s recognition of commercial Existing Use on the property to Alexis Brenner as well as a number of members of the public:
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“With regards to Development Permit application G/A/2022-2023/583, the applicants are requesting an expansion to existing farm and retreat operations taking place on the property that includes on-farm camping, large-scale events, workshops, and the construction of several new structures. The application remains under review and no decision has been made yet.
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NEC staff recognize that the property previously operated (under different ownership) as Ridgewood Springs Organic Farm and Retreat Centre and offered several types of services and activities including, utilizing the existing single dwelling for small-scale retreats and accommodation, agricultural production of fruit orchards, apple picking and hosting farm tours, picnics, and trail usage. These existing uses are permitted and can continue. The Notice that was issued requesting that certain activities stop is related to those matters being proposed under the Development Permit application and not the permitted uses.
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NEC staff recently met with the applicants at the property and continue to work with them to ensure a timely review of the proposed development. “
May 29 2023
The closest neighbours to the subject property draft a letter to MPP Rick Byers supporting Bubble Grove and providing eye witness account of ongoing use on the property including regular camping activities in tents, campers, and RV’s.
“Hello Rick,
We feel compelled to write to you today in support of Bubble Grove and Rhythmic Roots Farm.
The business activities of these family run ventures have been halted by the NEC without clear direction on what activities constitute the "Change Of Use" violation or which business activities can go forward at this long standing agritourism property formerly known as Ridgewood Springs Organic Farm & Retreat Centre.
We have lived on Concession 9 for over 20 years and we have witnessed many “weekend renters” on this property, utilizing the residence, RVs, trailers, and tents. We understand the NEC had 23 years of knowledge about the activities on the property, so it would seem to us that this property meets the criteria to be grandfathered in as a legal, non-conforming use property. “
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This letter has been presented to the NEC staff who continue to refuse to comment on it.
June 13 2023
The NEC Manager of Planning sends an email confirming again that the NEC recognizes the Existing Use of hosting retreats on the property:
“In the interim, you can continue to use the property in a manner consistent with the previous approved uses on the property that were outlined by NEC staff in communications dated May 25 and May 29 to you and your supporters. These previously approved uses include limited overnight guest accommodation. The transfer of such accommodation, at a similar scale, to dome tents or yurts is similar enough to the previously approved accommodation use that the NEC will not take any enforcement action, provided that you continue to engage in seeking the proper approvals for modifications to the existing approved activities, as well as the new activities you are proposing. The letter from the previous owner indicated that approximately 30 guests were accommodated on site in the dwelling and in the immediate area of the dwelling in pup tents. “
This email again confirms that NEC staff are recognizing the ongoing short term accommodations and Retreat Centre use on the proeprty.
June 15 2023
Letter from apple purchaser on site every year from August to November regularly to pick up the apple harvest.
"To Whom It May Concern
... this letter is to document the activities I observed when I was dealing with Norm Weber, the previous owner of this property.
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We have been purchasing organic apples from Norm for over a decade and each Fall I would make 4 or 5 trips to his place to pick up the apples as they were harvested.
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I observed camping on the property numerous times, usually at least a couple of campers and/or RVs and tents located in the open field behind the house. There was also a fish pond on the property with fish that was being used from time to time depending on the weather and how late in the season I was there.
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We continue to purchase apples from Bubble Grove and it appears that the same activities are happening on the property now as have been over the past decade."
This letter was submitted to the NEC staff though totally ignored.
June 16 2023
Chatsworth CBO visits the property is response to a complaint stating that the single dome tent on site was illegally established. During his visit he stated that everything at the camp is well within tolerance of the rules and required no permit to establish
July 03 2023
From a letter written to the NEC by one of the main appellants against our use:
"our only knowledge of the Webers 'Retreat' business was occasionally seeing unfamiliar cars parked in the lane. We understood that these visitors had some church connection."
“In summary: the Existing Use business carried out in the past, whether legal or not was from our vantage unobtrusive to the lives of anyone in the community, nor to the beautiful integrity of the Niagara Escarpment in which we live, work and revel.”
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July 2023
NEC Commissioners refuse the first Development Permit application
July2023
We ask the NEC staff for guidance on how to appeal or change the decision. Their response:
"If you wish to have the Commission reopen and reconsider their decision-making on your development permit application, a written request must be submitted to the Chair of the Commission advising of your interest to delegate. A written request is to be submitted to necgeorgetown@ontario.ca.
Your request for delegation would be considered by the
Commission at their next scheduled meeting (August 17th). The Commission reserves the right to receive or not receive delegations at its meetings. If the Commission agrees to the delegation, it would be scheduled for their next available meeting, which would be in September. You would then be able to plead your case to the Commission.
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At the September meeting, the Commission would then have to vote and agree to reopen the matter. To do so, the Commission must determine that there is new evidence in order to support a motion for reconsideration.
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As a result of the Commission’s decision last Thursday, a Notice of Decision has been sent out this week following the requirements of the Niagara Escarpment Planning and Development Act. The notice provides a 14-day appeal period where the decision can be appealed to the Ontario Land Tribunal (OLT). You have the right to appeal the Commission’s decision to the OLT. If there is an appeal, a hearing will be held, and the OLT will make a decision.
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If the application is appealed, the Commission cannot receive a delegation to reopen/reconsider the matter because the Commission cannot receive delegations on matters that are before the OLT.
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Since the last day for appeal is August 9th, you need to decide quickly whether you want to go the route of appeal to the OLT (in which case you cannot delegate).
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If you decide to delegate, we will need your letter no later than Friday, August 4th to ensure it is included in the meeting package for the Commission.
July / Aug 2023
We decide to Delegate.
A Letter is written to the Chair of the NEC who reads the letter to the Commission, who unanimously vote to allow our Delegation to be heard at the September meeting
We spend weeks preparing.
3 days before the Delegation, the NEC Director at the time called to say that there will be no Delegation.
We have no opportunity to appeal.
The original decision against our property will stand.
But we can try again.
We are eft frustrated and confused but do everything we can to move forward.
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Oct 2023
NEC Commissioners confirm 40 years of Existing Use as a Retreat Centre through a Development Permit decision.
Nov 2023
NEC Commissioners confirm Existing Use through A development Permit decision.
July / Aug 2023
We decide to Delegate
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Nov 2023
NEC Commissioners confirm 40 years of Existing Use as a Retreat Centre through a Development Permit decision.
Nov 2023
NEC Commissioners confirm 40 years of Existing Use as a Retreat Centre through a Development Permit decision.
The Policies & Precedents
Existing use: The legal use of any land, building or structure for a purpose that is not otherwise listed as a permitted use under the applicable designation in the Niagara Escarpment Plan, and that was:
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1985;
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b) approved in accordance with the provisions of the Niagara Escarpment Plan since June 12, 1985 but prior to the date of any amendment to this Plan under which the use ceased to be a permitted use; or
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• c) existing, in an area added to the Niagara Escarpment Plan at the date of the approval of the amendment to this Plan that added the lands to this Plan;
provided that the existing use has continued without interruption after the effective date as set out under a), b), and c).
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The policy is very clear that a use only need EXIST prior to June 12, 1985. It was not required to have been established or approved prior to June 12 1985.
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The 2014 NEP has a different definition that requires legal establishment prior to June 12, 1985. The language is very clearly changed and the intention of the wording shifted to the 2017 version which only requires that a use existed prior to the inception of the NEP to qualify as an Existing Use after 2017.
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Ample evidence exists to outline that the full use of the retreat centre was actively hosting guests for events, experiences and short term accommodations both inside the farmhouse and out on the land in temporary structures including tents, rvs & campers prior to June 12, 1985.
Legal Non Conforming Use legal precedent in Ontario is very clear in protecting commercial use on properties. When the use is only restricted to a specific structure or building then the use can expand within the building. If a use is evidenced to have been active not only in a particular structure but also out on the land, then that use is protected and can legally expand across the land.
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The evidence clearly outlines that extensive use for events, experiences, and overnight accommodations out on the land. Legal property rights outline that this should be granted and recognized for this property. We are only asking for our legal property rights to be recognized.